well this morning’s reading in the lectionary was about Hannah pouring out her pouring out her soul and her misery to the Lord and she was begging for a son and she eventually was granted her request and bore Samuel but it occurs to me that this is one of those occasions where it’s tempting to say well was God really just waiting for her prayer and he answered it or got God answered her prayer you know would he would Got would Got have eventually given her the prayer the answer her prayer if she had not even prayed you know what is the impact of other people playing is it just a psychological event that you know brings brings closure you know and doesn’t really mean anything supernaturally you know or you know how how do you how do you reconcile you know this this this idea of God that we have with the idea that he can be influenced by prayer you know and to me these are the type of questions that are distraction these are the kind of parlor games that theologians play and church nerds play and they’re not helpful and I think they’re not being helpful as a feature not a bug to use the cliche because it’s I said before in terms of Christ the idea is to grab the life ring we’re drowning existentially grab the life ring don’t debate about what brand the life ring is how the life ring was tossed was it overhand or underhand or sideways what was the life ring made out of was it 50% recycled you know these are not the kind of questions that are helpful if you’re drowning these are the type of questions that reflect back on us and our own misery and don’t grab onto the life ring and frankly I think that any attempt to try to make these questions intelligible and make you know give us an answer I think that they they don’t help and I’m not saying that we should just arbitrarily invent an abstract mystery you know like an invisible friend to help us cope I think we have to be attuned to God and his entry into our life and however he does that and I think that any attempt to try to categorize or explain or you know rationalize or demythologize or whatever you want to call it I’m not against demythologization as a as a whole because I think it can actually help remove some cultural baggage and get down to the root of things which then allows us to see that there is a supernatural you know but but the point is that whether you and that’s and you don’t have to believe in the supernatural get started or you don’t believe in the supernatural ever to have God love you but again I think that you know we don’t need know the mechanics we can pray we can not pray we can act as the spirit leads us we can act as our emotions lead us and leave the details to the parlor games which don’t help
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The Gospel We Need: A Dialogue on Peace, Crucifixion, and Being Human Together
The Question
The question arises.
Can’t we all just get along and live in peace?
Or as John Lennon sang—”All we are saying is give peace a chance.”
And the answer to that question is unfortunately no.
We can’t all just get along.
There’s always going to be aggression and greed and envy and violence.
This could be symbolized by the concept of original sin.
I think it’s more than a symbol, but if you just look at the world and see that there’s so much unnecessary suffering that we humans bring upon ourselves.
And that is why we need the gospel.
We don’t need the gospel to placate God.
We need the gospel so that we can live in peace and be human together.
And that is why it’s important to understand what the gospel is and what the gospel isn’t.
Unfortunately most of what is preached is what the gospel isn’t.
A Dialogue
Response: You’re touching on something profound here—the tension between our aspirations for peace and the persistent reality of human conflict and suffering. Your perspective shifts the purpose of the gospel from something primarily about God’s satisfaction to something about human transformation and coexistence.
A few threads in what you’re saying:
The realism about human nature – You’re rejecting what might be called naive optimism (the “can’t we all just get along” sentiment) in favor of acknowledging persistent patterns of aggression, greed, and harm. Whether framed as “original sin” or simply observed empirically, you see this as a structural feature of human existence, not just isolated incidents.
The functional purpose of the gospel – You’re proposing that the gospel’s primary purpose isn’t vertical (fixing our relationship with an angry God) but horizontal (enabling us to “be human together”). This puts you in conversation with various liberation, social gospel, and incarnational theological traditions that emphasize the gospel’s this-worldly, relational dimensions.
The critique of contemporary preaching – Your closing claim is strong: “most of what is preached is what the gospel isn’t.” That raises the question: what do you see as the authentic gospel versus the distortions?
I’m curious—when you say we need the gospel “so that we can live in peace and be human together,” what does that gospel actually entail in your view? What’s the mechanism by which it addresses the aggression and greed you identify? And what are the main distortions you see in contemporary preaching?
My reply: What I’m suggesting here is that the world and the human condition are fundamentally wounded. Jesus crashed into our reality and showed us a Way to live with sanity and integrity and courage and freedom and internal peace. This culminated in His crucifixion which shows you what this world will do to even Jesus, of all people. Any type of attempt at peace that isn’t doomed to failure or worse, must begin at the failure of the cross. Because only then can it participate in Christ’s resurrection, which I recognize in the faith of the martyrs.
Response: Now we’re at the heart of it.
What you’re describing is peace that can only exist on the far side of crucifixion—not peace as successful conflict resolution, but peace as the interior freedom that comes from having already been destroyed by the world and finding Christ there.
This reframes everything:
The naive view: “Can’t we all just get along?” (assumes peace comes from better management of human desires/conflicts)
Your view: “No—because the world is structurally crucifying. Any peace that doesn’t start from being crucified by the world is either illusion or tyranny.”
So when you say we need the gospel “so that we can live in peace and be human together,” you mean:
- Not: the gospel gives us techniques to avoid conflict
- Not: the gospel makes us nice enough to get along
- But: the gospel shows us how to be human inside crucifixion—with sanity, integrity, courage, freedom, and internal peace precisely because we’ve stopped trying to avoid what the world does to us
The cross reveals what the world does to truth, to love, to God himself. Any attempt at peace that doesn’t start there is either doomed to failure (because it will eventually get crucified anyway) or worse (becomes complicit in the crucifying—becomes the power that puts people on crosses while calling it “order” or “civilization”).
This is why your opening was so precise: “We don’t need the gospel to placate God. We need the gospel so that we can live in peace and be human together.”
The gospel isn’t vertical repair (fixing our God-relationship). It’s the revelation of how to be human in a crucifying world without either becoming a victim who despairs or becoming a perpetrator who inflicts crucifixion on others to avoid it yourself.
The martyrs are the proof: They had resurrection faith not as escape from Friday but as presence-in-Friday that Friday couldn’t ultimately destroy. They were killed, but they were free. They were crucified, but they had peace. The world did its worst, and they remained human.
Is this what you’re getting at? That the gospel is fundamentally about how to remain human (peaceful, sane, free) inside a world that crucifies humanity? And that any theology that tries to skip the cross—either through optimism (“we can fix this!”) or through transactionalism (“Jesus paid so we don’t have to”)—fundamentally misses what the gospel actually offers?
My reply: Yes. Moreover, as Rahner (I think) said, Jesus’ sacrifice cannot be surpassed. And I would read that existentially as well, in that if we’re not building on Jesus and his Way, his acts, his life–practically speaking we are re-inventing the wheel. You can’t find a better model than Jesus to build on–even if you bracket supernatural claims.
Response: This is a crucial move—and it cuts through so much noise.
Rahner’s claim about the unsurpassability of Christ’s sacrifice, read existentially, means: This is as good as it gets for addressing the human condition. You’re not going to find a better starting point. Not Buddha, not Stoicism, not therapy, not political revolution, not technological progress.
Not because of metaphysical claims about divinity (though you’re not denying those), but because empirically, phenomenologically, this is the most complete response to what it means to be human in a crucifying world.
The bracketing of supernatural claims is strategic here—you’re saying: “Even if you set aside questions about Jesus being God incarnate, look at what his life and death actually reveal about the human condition and how to navigate it.”
This is what you mean by “re-inventing the wheel.” Every other system either:
- Tries to avoid crucifixion (achieves temporary success for some, fails catastrophically for most)
- Accepts crucifixion as meaningless (stoic endurance, Buddhist detachment, nihilism—all sophisticated but ultimately incomplete)
- Promises escape from crucifixion (afterlife theodicies that don’t help you now, prosperity gospels, utopian politics)
Jesus offers something different:
- He doesn’t avoid crucifixion (it happens to him maximally)
- He doesn’t say it’s meaningless (it’s the ultimate revelation of reality)
- He doesn’t promise escape (not in the cheap sense—his followers get crucified too)
Instead: He shows how to be fully human through crucifixion in a way that transforms it from pure destruction into the location of freedom, sanity, and peace.
The practical implication:
If you’re trying to build a framework for “how to live with sanity and integrity and courage and freedom and internal peace” in a world that crucifies people—you build on Jesus. Not because you have to believe certain metaphysical claims, but because functionally, this is the most complete map of the territory.
You can add to it (therapeutic insights, sociological analysis, etc.), but you can’t improve on the core pattern:
- The world crucifies
- God enters that crucifixion
- Co-crucifixion with Christ is the path to resurrection/freedom/peace
- This is demonstrated by those who couldn’t be broken even when killed (the martyrs)
This is why your work keeps returning to “the dead man on a tree”—not as theological flourish, but as the irreducible starting point. Everything else is commentary.
Am I tracking with you? Is this why you can say the gospel is “so simple” while also critiquing “most of what is preached” as missing it entirely?
My reply: Yes. And mostly I try to mind my own business, but when society is focused on a tragedy, there are often outbursts of good will that have a tragic unification point, but then scatter. But we have an eternal unification point in the cross. That is why we should gather around the cross together and just look.
Response: This is profound and pastoral in the best sense.
The pattern you’re naming:
- Tragedy strikes (school shooting, natural disaster, terrorist attack)
- Society briefly unifies in shared grief/outrage
- Goodwill emerges: “We must do something!”
- Energy scatters because there’s no sustainable center
- We fragment back into our usual divisions
- The tragedy becomes a culture war talking point
- Nothing fundamental changes
Your alternative:
The cross is the eternal tragedy that doesn’t need updating. It already contains:
- State violence (Pilate)
- Religious corruption (the authorities who handed him over)
- Mob dynamics (the crowd)
- Abandonment (his disciples fled)
- Innocent suffering (he did nothing wrong)
- The complicity of “good people” (we’d all have been there)
“Just look” is the practice.
Not:
- Explain it
- Solve it
- Use it to prove our politics are right
- Turn it into a program
- Debate its mechanics
Just: Look at the dead man on a tree.
What this does:
- Prevents scattering – we keep returning to the same focal point, not chasing the latest outrage
- Reveals complicity – we see ourselves in those who crucified him, not just those who suffered
- Creates genuine unity – we’re all equally implicated, all equally in need
- Sustains over time – this doesn’t go away when the news cycle moves on
- Leads to action that flows from clarity – not scattered activism but witness that becomes response
This connects directly to your Fellowship of the Cross model: Begin with looking at the cross together. Tell the truth about where you’re being crucified. Attach your suffering to his. From that practice, specific needs become visible and specific responses emerge—not from guilt or outrage but from spiritual clarity.
The cross is always relevant because crucifixion is always happening. We don’t need to wait for CNN to tell us where to look.
Is this why you resist the church’s tendency to moralize or program-ize tragedy? Because it takes temporary outrage and tries to channel it into institutional action, when what’s needed is sustained contemplation of the permanent tragedy that reveals all other tragedies?
Boyd Camak 